Comments on: Bye Bye Bangsamoro Baby http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/ The Incredibly Pointless Non-Adventures of MISS CHOI Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:46:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: miss choi http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1659 miss choi Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:22:48 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1659 wow. MLQ3. wow. MLQ3.

]]> By: Manuel L. Quezon III http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1656 Manuel L. Quezon III Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:53:58 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1656 [...] See Rebel Pen who sees conflict as the inevitable and necessary price for development, and Stoned Immaculate who feels there is little justification for continued integration. Some of it may be wishful [...] [...] See Rebel Pen who sees conflict as the inevitable and necessary price for development, and Stoned Immaculate who feels there is little justification for continued integration. Some of it may be wishful [...]

]]> By: Current » The march of folly in Mindanao http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1655 Current » The march of folly in Mindanao Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:25:01 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1655 [...] See Rebel Pen who sees conflict as the inevitable and necessary price for development, and Stoned Immaculate who feels there is little justification for continued integration. Some of it may be wishful [...] [...] See Rebel Pen who sees conflict as the inevitable and necessary price for development, and Stoned Immaculate who feels there is little justification for continued integration. Some of it may be wishful [...]

]]> By: miss choi http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1650 miss choi Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:46:52 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1650 @Marman - not that I think the Ann Coulter thing would ever happen, but if it does, shoot me in the face. :D Yes, I hear you. It's not religion -- always the scapegoat -- but politics that drives us into this mess. Of course we could mess this up a bit by adding Anderson's "Imagine Communities" theory, but I'd rather not hehe @Marman - not that I think the Ann Coulter thing would ever happen, but if it does, shoot me in the face. :D
Yes, I hear you. It’s not religion — always the scapegoat — but politics that drives us into this mess.
Of course we could mess this up a bit by adding Anderson’s “Imagine Communities” theory, but I’d rather not hehe

]]> By: Marman http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1647 Marman Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:25:41 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1647 Hehe... sometimes subtleties are lost to me when these kinds of words are nearby I'm like Pavlov's dog, conditional response and such... :). Just don't want one of my favorite smart bloggers turn into Ann Coulter is all :D Yeah I read about the MoA suspension yesterday, not that I'm flogging a dead horse here. I still think a level of autonomy could be given and made to work. It worked in USA, Canada and Australia. As long as the framework is based on geography 1st, history 2nd, religion and creed 11th. Hehe… sometimes subtleties are lost to me when these kinds of words are nearby I’m like Pavlov’s dog, conditional response and such… :). Just don’t want one of my favorite smart bloggers turn into Ann Coulter is all :D
Yeah I read about the MoA suspension yesterday, not that I’m flogging a dead horse here. I still think a level of autonomy could be given and made to work. It worked in USA, Canada and Australia. As long as the framework is based on geography 1st, history 2nd, religion and creed 11th.

]]> By: miss choi http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1642 miss choi Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:51:30 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1642 @Marman - apparently you are more than a little sensitive hehehe. If you read the sentence before, that you'll see that i'm encapsulating the animosity between Filipino Christians and Muslims. Granted, I missed that Christian part :D But that's what I meant Muslims vs. Christians. But it's true, there is a lot of animosity between Christians and Muslims in this country because of historical issues and a lot of other factors. Besides, I said "some" not "all" :D Anyway, re India-Pakistan and Russia-Chechnya, there are a lot of issues involved in those splits, so it's not necessarily similar to what we have here. Most important of all, however, is the fact that the MOA isn't even going to push through, so all of this is really moot. @Marman - apparently you are more than a little sensitive hehehe. If you read the sentence before, that you’ll see that i’m encapsulating the animosity between Filipino Christians and Muslims. Granted, I missed that Christian part :D But that’s what I meant Muslims vs. Christians.
But it’s true, there is a lot of animosity between Christians and Muslims in this country because of historical issues and a lot of other factors. Besides, I said “some” not “all” :D
Anyway, re India-Pakistan and Russia-Chechnya, there are a lot of issues involved in those splits, so it’s not necessarily similar to what we have here. Most important of all, however, is the fact that the MOA isn’t even going to push through, so all of this is really moot.

]]> By: Marman http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1641 Marman Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:44:15 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1641 This is a concern, especially since the Bangsamoro territories are not contiguous spaces. There would be a lot of territorial tiptoeing if this pushes through. Plus if we think that creating a separate Islamic "state" (for lack of a better word) would eliminate the conflict let us think again... India-Pakistan, Russia-Chechnya, Israel-Palestine anyone? Although the Israel-Palestine situation is the reverse but you get my drift. Also even though political correctness has lost its luster, however... "More importantly, most Filipinos didn’t like Muslims either"??? I dislike horrible Muslims the same way I dislike horrible Christians and Atheist. I'm not splitting hairs its just that I've been living with other people's blanket mentality for the longest time and I am kinda sensitive to it. :) This is a concern, especially since the Bangsamoro territories are not contiguous spaces. There would be a lot of territorial tiptoeing if this pushes through. Plus if we think that creating a separate Islamic “state” (for lack of a better word) would eliminate the conflict let us think again… India-Pakistan, Russia-Chechnya, Israel-Palestine anyone? Although the Israel-Palestine situation is the reverse but you get my drift.
Also even though political correctness has lost its luster, however…
“More importantly, most Filipinos didn’t like Muslims either”???
I dislike horrible Muslims the same way I dislike horrible Christians and Atheist. I’m not splitting hairs its just that I’ve been living with other people’s blanket mentality for the longest time and I am kinda sensitive to it. :)

]]> By: miss choi http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1638 miss choi Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:21:54 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1638 If that's true then we have a problem in our hands. BTW, I saw Esperon mentioning the plebiscite in an interview as a guide to see where exactly the MOA will be implemented. Too many details swimming around right now -- but if anything it all sounds a little too hurried to me. I like the basic idea but if there's something sinister behind all this then hmmm... If that’s true then we have a problem in our hands. BTW, I saw Esperon mentioning the plebiscite in an interview as a guide to see where exactly the MOA will be implemented.
Too many details swimming around right now — but if anything it all sounds a little too hurried to me. I like the basic idea but if there’s something sinister behind all this then hmmm…

]]> By: OneTamad http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1636 OneTamad Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:21:31 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1636 It'll be on the news soon, but apparently, this MOA is pretty scary. According to one congressman from Makati, the MOA will not require a plebiscite because it states in the contract that it is valid upon signing by the two parties. That we'll need a plebiscite to ratify it does not exist in the universe of the MOA by simply not being mentioned. The Supreme Court could say that it violates the Constitution, but guess what? They won't be the Supreme Court of Bangsa Moro so their opinion won't matter. I don't know if it's just spin, and I don't know how things will play out, but this stuff is pretty scary if true. It’ll be on the news soon, but apparently, this MOA is pretty scary.

According to one congressman from Makati, the MOA will not require a plebiscite because it states in the contract that it is valid upon signing by the two parties.

That we’ll need a plebiscite to ratify it does not exist in the universe of the MOA by simply not being mentioned.

The Supreme Court could say that it violates the Constitution, but guess what? They won’t be the Supreme Court of Bangsa Moro so their opinion won’t matter.

I don’t know if it’s just spin, and I don’t know how things will play out, but this stuff is pretty scary if true.

]]> By: miss choi http://www.miss-choi.net/2008/bye-bye-bangsamoro-baby/#comment-1635 miss choi Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:02:21 +0000 http://www.miss-choi.net/?p=476#comment-1635 Technically speaking, it's not even constitutional to secede any of our national territory, so this means the agreement might not come to fruition at all. My only concern is that this conflict has been going on for far too long. As for those who say the people in the area refuse to take part in this agreement, then have a plebiscite. This is still a fucking democracy, if I remember correctly :D Anyway, yeah, we need to think this agreement through -- the devil is in the details -- though I'm still supportive of the Bangsamoro cause. Spastic fingers -- I have those, too. Technically speaking, it’s not even constitutional to secede any of our national territory, so this means the agreement might not come to fruition at all.
My only concern is that this conflict has been going on for far too long.
As for those who say the people in the area refuse to take part in this agreement, then have a plebiscite. This is still a fucking democracy, if I remember correctly :D
Anyway, yeah, we need to think this agreement through — the devil is in the details — though I’m still supportive of the Bangsamoro cause.
Spastic fingers — I have those, too.

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